tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.comments2023-08-02T06:15:54.511+00:00 Biometrics in schoolsPippa Kinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12248669312548711313noreply@blogger.comBlogger163125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-89828516620363116472022-02-15T15:25:45.064+00:002022-02-15T15:25:45.064+00:00Hi Steve,
Just caught your comment and apologies f...Hi Steve,<br />Just caught your comment and apologies for delay in replying. Thank you for your comment.<br /><br />"Do you think they have chosen schools in Scotland because of the fact that the consent laws are slightly different?" The supplier states their facial recognition system is in over 70 schools of which a small proportion are in Scotland, so it may appear not, although certainly the consent process (or lack of it) would mean it would be easier to implement in Scotland.<br /><br />"It also occurred to me that the very reason they're using schoolchildren for this (and in particular teenagers) might be to track natural developmental changes in a person's face..." The facial recognition system used does track changes in the children's faces every 3 months and the algorithm adjusts accordingly. See this video https://vimeo.com/570313423 around 16-19 mins in.<br /><br />It is not clear that the canteen supplier of the facial recognition has developed this specific, sophisticated, algorithm learning facial recognition product. The facial recognition element has been supplied for free to the schools that have offer me that date under Freedom of Information Request. The facial recognition element is constantly learning and I would humbly presume the developer of such technology would want that data to improve the product, as that's how technology progresses - though I have no evidence to state this is happening in this case.<br /><br />For more information see my WhatDoTheyKnow Freedom fo Information page https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/pippa_king<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03157293359183773575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-29253358337544690482021-10-20T16:16:19.360+00:002021-10-20T16:16:19.360+00:00Hey Pippa, great work on this, thanks for all your...Hey Pippa, great work on this, thanks for all your hard work! I'm a privacy researcher and I've been looking into this as much as I can because I agree with you that the UK is sleepwalking into becoming a surveillance state. There are a couple of questions I've been wondering about since I heard about this scheme. Do you think they have chosen schools in Scotland because of the fact that the consent laws are slightly different? I think under EU law the age of consent for any online service is 16 - and that makes sense for pupils in S5 and S6 who should all be 16 at least (we all were when I was in school anyway) - most in S4 will probably still only be 15 for most of their time in that year group. <br />It also occurred to me that the very reason they're using schoolchildren for this (and in particular teenagers) might be to track natural developmental changes in a person's face - everyone changes most during that time of their lives. I suppose as long as they capture data on a daily basis to contribute to the template, then this would work to give a good idea of how much a person's face can change naturally, and therefore how much leeway should be given for a "bad hair day" or something. <br />Personally I'm going to spend the next while reading through their privacy policies and those of their affiliates, parent companies, subcontractors and subprocessors to see what data is exchanged (according to their declarations) and with whom - not just biometric data either. I will also be checking your blog for updates and working slowly through the 67 pages of the ICO opinion from June. <br />Keep up the good work!Steve Tattumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-42008870360017075162015-11-24T17:28:20.770+00:002015-11-24T17:28:20.770+00:00you don't have the ability, it seems, to see t...you don't have the ability, it seems, to see the schools' perspective. You dismiss it and make fun of it, as if there's some wierd conspiracy at place. I work at a public library and see that people forget their usernames and passwords all the time. Biometric log in would be a huge customer service benefit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14748192218402571363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-14940848355231710862015-08-24T04:49:59.847+00:002015-08-24T04:49:59.847+00:00Huge Applause. In security-terms, biometrics is a...Huge Applause. In security-terms, biometrics is absolute snake-oil, and is never suitable for anything. It is easily stolen and forged (think - the OPM megahack), and it is sufficiently unreliable that alternative systems always need to be in place to handle when biometrics does not work, like fingerprints after swimming etc (that alternative effectively means that anyone using biometrics is actually REDUCING any security they might have - because the alternate-means will always exist, and now biometrics introduces a second new way to break/forge/bypass the security, and, in a way that can never be changed when that data gets stolen! How many US Government employees have changed their fingerprints since the Chinese stole them all eh?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-80819100437906595042015-06-09T23:33:26.914+00:002015-06-09T23:33:26.914+00:00Yes they must seek explicit written consent fronm ...Yes they must seek explicit written consent fronm parents and verbal consent from children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-64698825694884790662014-02-11T21:49:36.869+00:002014-02-11T21:49:36.869+00:00I don't understand how there can be cost benef...I don't understand how there can be cost benefit, as this breaches the on convention on a child's rights. Futher more to gain access to the printers if you don't have a finger print registered they have to scan your face to generate a unique id, so you can print your work. If you refuse then your child will have to go to the teacher to get them to print your work! It's totally stupid, as children will be stigmatised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-65614783049043332062014-02-05T09:54:32.932+00:002014-02-05T09:54:32.932+00:00It will likely be to do with either/and/or money, ...It will likely be to do with either/and/or money, security, welfare of children, faster system to use, keeping up with the times. All platitudes as far as I'm concerned.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864518298963951887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-72554096050077006422014-02-04T12:04:42.800+00:002014-02-04T12:04:42.800+00:00Thank you for taking the time to post. I respect ...Thank you for taking the time to post. I respect that people have differing levels of intrusions of privacy and yours is different to mine.<br /><br />However this is no "Red Herring" and "faffing around" on this topic brought about much needed government legislation in 2012.<br /><br />It is apparent that teaching children to take resposibility for cards or money is something that is lower on your school's list of priorities than lunch line efficiency. A shame really as looking after money and cards are an important life skill children need to operate in the wider world outside school.Pippa Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248669312548711313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-12598069420410391392014-01-09T22:25:36.288+00:002014-01-09T22:25:36.288+00:00When there are so many important intrusions on our...When there are so many important intrusions on our liberty, this "story" is a pointless and time-wasting diversion.<br /><br />I am a school governor and, yes, we do use biometrics. Why? Because feeding over 1,000 students in less than an hour, we recognised the need to speed up payment with a biometric system. Parents place money on the student's account and they spend as required, with parents able to see exactly what they have purchased. Students, especially the younger ones, are notorious for forgetting to take money with them and would easily lose cards. This system ensures no student goes without food and all are served in a timely manner.<br />There's nothing "Big Brother" about it at all.<br /> <br />I am as concerned as anyone about state intrusion into citizen's personal lives, but this is a red herring and, as I intimated earlier, a pointless subject for pursuit. There are worthy areas for investigation without faffing around with this. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-39688723597039663722014-01-03T18:06:58.712+00:002014-01-03T18:06:58.712+00:00Those in authority will do anything to avoid any i...Those in authority will do anything to avoid any information concerning any nefarious scheme they are doing from been published. The idea that the police can access a school's biometric database at the discretion of the school concerned is abhorrent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864518298963951887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-51767986370284775692014-01-03T18:02:13.834+00:002014-01-03T18:02:13.834+00:00Those in power will try anything not to let the pu...Those in power will try anything not to let the public know what is really going on. The fact that the police have the potential to access a school's biometric database at the discretion of the school (meaning the possibility of 'cosy' relationships between headmasters/mistresses and the police) is abhorrent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864518298963951887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-62528220919425002372014-01-03T18:01:55.162+00:002014-01-03T18:01:55.162+00:00Those in power will try anything not to let the pu...Those in power will try anything not to let the public know what is really going on. The fact that the police have the potential to access a school's biometric database at the discretion of the school (meaning the possibility of 'cosy' relationships between headmasters/mistresses and the police) is abhorrent.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03864518298963951887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-49016344063611695702013-09-07T12:31:33.415+00:002013-09-07T12:31:33.415+00:00Perhaps your FOIR should have included the questio...Perhaps your FOIR should have included the question - "how much money is the school making by acting as "agent"". <br /><br />These things are not organic or happen by chance, they are directed by some very shadowy agencies who have an agenda and unlimited funds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-58804654192049476702013-09-07T07:30:26.386+00:002013-09-07T07:30:26.386+00:00I tried to make \Norfolk aware of this 2 years ago...I tried to make \Norfolk aware of this 2 years ago by talking on the local radio, but sadly only one other parent joined the discussion. This is backdoor training for our kids to help usher in ID for the future. Check out vericool on google. Both my kids are not fingerprinting for school lunches or acess to the school library, l addressed this with the headmaster very strongly in writing prior to them starting. schoolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-79542525861147885782013-08-23T00:42:27.945+00:002013-08-23T00:42:27.945+00:00Biometric is new now a days, before we use punch c...Biometric is new now a days, before we use punch cards to know that we are an employee of that company..so now a days its not really that easy to get inside of a company unless you are a well known person..card tracking systemhttp://www.acs-east.com/education/tracking-solutions/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-39632375991744746452013-08-07T16:43:13.441+00:002013-08-07T16:43:13.441+00:00Make an official complaint against the school? As...Make an official complaint against the school? Ask about their complaints procedure. You could do with reassurance that the data has been 'destroyed' not 'deleted', there is a difference, and try and get that in writing from the school. <br />If the school had done this after Sept 1st they would have broken the law - Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.<br />Hopefully the school has destroyed your son's biometric data.Pippa Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248669312548711313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-74185379854570278952013-07-12T12:29:06.907+00:002013-07-12T12:29:06.907+00:00My son was scanned yesterday even though we had ex...My son was scanned yesterday even though we had explicitly denied permission. Not convinced by their "categorical" assertion that it had been deleted - but what can you do..?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-13088917221265344762013-04-27T08:25:35.780+00:002013-04-27T08:25:35.780+00:00Are schools under obligation to inform parents bef...Are schools under obligation to inform parents before they implament biometrics? my son is 14 years old and no one, children and parents, that i speak to is happy with the school, compared to my school days,i am 52,which i found ok, everything my son and his friends tell me about the place is not good, and is getting worseevomuranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-66604558435071047962012-09-23T13:16:40.106+00:002012-09-23T13:16:40.106+00:00Hi Pippa,
I was wondering, if you had time, if yo...Hi Pippa,<br /><br />I was wondering, if you had time, if you could look at our Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/refuse2use - and, again if you had time, if you could advise, beyond your blogs' content? <br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />RichardRichard Lowehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16256911603234418261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-60858641972360080172012-08-15T04:20:10.812+00:002012-08-15T04:20:10.812+00:00This is widely used technology if we see then sudd...This is widely used technology if we see then suddenly understand that this need every where in school and at every sensitive area biometric systemshttp://www.afnsecurity.com/intelligent-video-systems-2/3vr/3vr-analytics/dwell-time.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-66645603396815304672012-02-24T20:30:38.813+00:002012-02-24T20:30:38.813+00:00This is an invasion of privacy and freedom, people...This is an invasion of privacy and freedom, people who don't see any harm in this has been brainwashed and already under the influence of mind control. We have no identity anymore, our fingerprints, our identity is stored and they can trace us. There putting these in my school now and I'm planning a Protest this disgusts me this is just another way for the government to control us and uses us as lab rats and were just going to be ruled by tyranny. The world is sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-69243487979938056332011-12-13T02:45:56.627+00:002011-12-13T02:45:56.627+00:00This comment has been hidden from the blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-83554245348045433282011-11-22T14:38:47.253+00:002011-11-22T14:38:47.253+00:00Hi Ben,
I can remember seeing about that at the ...Hi Ben, <br /><br />I can remember seeing about that at the time. I'm just going to post up on a daily basis now all the comments that parents have made on this issue over the years until the Protection of Freedoms Bill is a passed with (fingers crossed) good enforcable law in, in respect of taking and processing childrens biometrics.<br /><br />As much as I've blogged about it, I am not the only parent who has spoken out, like yourself.<br /><br />Hopefully our voices will heard.Pippa Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12248669312548711313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-63043242554133456332011-11-21T09:56:34.016+00:002011-11-21T09:56:34.016+00:00My daughter's school tried to take her fingerp...My daughter's school tried to take her fingerprints in 2007! They were not going to ask permission and just put a little note in the back pages of th school newsletter. I wrote to the school and told them not to. See: http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/1452746.father_bans_school_from_fingerprinting_daughter/Ben Emlyn-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858990047274822000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35796774.post-57960021386325590442011-11-21T06:51:05.551+00:002011-11-21T06:51:05.551+00:00Its niceIts niceTime Recordershttp://www.amanodirect.com/noreply@blogger.com